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Season 7 Discussion - Episode 3 - The Girl Next Door

Postby Bec666 on Sat Oct 08, 2011 3:14 am

I thought this was another great episode. I like the fact that they aren't having Sam's hallucinations be front and center. It was kind of cool how he just zoned out for a second. Not sure I like Dean's attitude though. I mean lighten up Dude, Sammy is trying.

Loved the flash backs. Young Sam is so awesome. And for a while there I THOUGHT we had the brothers on the same page. TRUSTING each other but apparently that wasn't meant to be. I was SO NOT expecting Dean to turn up and kill Amy... Jeez Dean, you let the kid go.. News flash here, the kid is a monster too. It brought Dean into a new light. It's like he doesn't 'care' anymore, almost like 'Robo Sam'. It's evil kill it.

I'm loving the season so far but not loving Dean. I'm not sure how much more of teary eyed Dean I can take.....
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Re: Season 7 Discussion - Episode 3 - The Girl Next Door

Postby CLDeangrl on Sat Oct 08, 2011 3:25 am

Wow...I don't know where to begin. Well not strictly true, I do...at the beginning. :D

They kind of swept past the whole hospital deal there. I mean, Bobby just pops in..."oh, I'm fine"...and breaks them out just like that.

I did love Dean hopped up on morphine..."Look, a monster broke my leg!" But dammit, we couldn't get a little more of him in the hospital gown?

And then we just jump ahead three weeks...and Sam goes from MRI to fine. Um...ok.

The case was cool and the flashbacks were really sweet. Man, Colin Ford has really grown up! I really liked the glimpse into Sam's awkward teenager years. "Dean, how do you talk to girls?" That was too cute! :D

I was also really intrigued with the whole Sam being a hunter and Amy a creature thing. Not completely unlikely that that would happen given the life they lead. We already saw it happen with Madison. But how the whole thing ultimately shook out...man, I still don't know what to make of it.

I understand why each brother did what they did, and both were acting in exactly the manner you'd expect...Sam with the big heart, Dean shooting first and asking questions later...but damn! I so wasn't expecting that ending.

Which brings us to my real issue...this whole dynamic between the brothers is REALLY, REALLY driving me nuts! I understand the whole guilt thing with Dean...hardly a new concept for any of the Winchesters, even Dad, but it's been done to death here...the hand wringing, not trusting Sam and then there's Sam's "I'm a freak" attitude. Newsflash Sam: most of what's happened to you in your life was NOT actually your fault!

I just REALLY want them to get back to being brothers...trusting each other, relying on each other. The rest of the baggage is just dragging them down. I'm hoping the next episode actually focusing on the subject of guilt will maybe allow them to address it and move on, but this being SPN it's highly doubtful it will be that simple...sigh.

Still...I loved the flashes of Emo Sammy we got to see tonight. I just wish Dean would snap the hell out of it already and be big brother again...I think there were small flashes there tonight, but way too small for my liking...I want more, we NEED more. But of course, doing what he did...if Sam ever found out, that would make bringing them together a lot more difficult. Typical. Come on Sera, have a LITTLE mercy on us, would you? :unsure:
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Re: Season 7 Discussion - Episode 3 - The Girl Next Door

Postby katave on Sat Oct 08, 2011 3:58 am

CLDeangrl I agree with them getting back to being brothers. This episode has me slightly worried about that dynamic the rest of the season, glad to know I'm not the only one.

Coming off the highs of the first two episodes this season this one was bland, ok, but not as action packed - which is to be expected (it's still 100% better then season 6). The ending was one you knew deep down was coming but you really, really, hoped it wouldn't. Amy's son made my skin crawl when he told Dean that the only person he was going to kill was him. And I think Dean's response sums up what they have his character going through right now...he doesn't expect to live much longer so go out fighting.

Next episode I hope has some resolution for Dean. Some of his back-log of guilt assuaged? You listening TPTB? Fix him so he can fix Sam and they can go back to being "bitch" and "jerk" to each other.
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Re: Season 7 Discussion - Episode 3 - The Girl Next Door

Postby Ruth78 on Sat Oct 08, 2011 9:07 am

Aaaargh - I hated this episode - such a downer after the previous two.

It seems like each season the writers do their best to get you to hate either Sam or Dean - seemingly it's Dean's turn now.
The way he's so aggressive about what's happening to Sam (he was warned what would happen if he forced his soul back in, yet there's no sympathy - only anger), the punch (really? When he's had a world of head trauma already?),
and his actions at the end made me so mad at him, that I feel like skipping the next few episodes in the hope that he's snapped out of it by then.
Seriously, we've been here before, and I just feel like Dean's gonna be a total jerk to Sam for the next few weeks, Sam's gonna look sad, and put up with it, then Dean will accept he has to trust Sam because he has no choice, or because it's his duty.
I was expecting/hoping to get through a season without all that, but it doesn't look likely now.

Please don't be mad at me Dean fans - I love him too, honest!! I just don't like how he's written sometimes - same with Sam.
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Re: Season 7 Discussion - Episode 3 - The Girl Next Door

Postby Bec666 on Sat Oct 08, 2011 2:31 pm

Sera has promised it will just be the boys relying on each other so she better be right.

Ruth no worries, I love both brothers but right now I want to squeeze Dean's neck till his head pops off. What the hell is up with the attitude? You are right, he was warned about the wall falling and said he would take care of Sam. Hell he promised Sam. And now he's got an attitude because Sam zones out?

And killing Amy, nice trust there Dean... The whole scene made me mad. He 'did the right thing' by killing a monster. According to him she would kill again. Ok, I can understand that. But you told Sam you would trust his judgement. You lied to him Dean. You know the big I'm lying thing that you hate so much?

And let's not forget the elephant in the room. You killed the mommy monster and let the baby monster go free. Um just how do you think a kid that needs brains to live is going to survive Dean? Become a vegetarian? So you can kill women but not kids? What we are going to trust YOUR judgement on this one? If mom's a monster, junior is a monster.

I loved the episode because it was done great. And in classic Supernatural tradition they left you screaming at the TV. :)
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Re: Season 7 Discussion - Episode 3 - The Girl Next Door

Postby Ruth78 on Sat Oct 08, 2011 3:12 pm

Bec - thank you! I'm glad I'm not alone - I get that Dean's hurting over Cas, but I hate when he gets all cold and uncaring to everyone.
I'm now getting the feeling that the boys sticking together will be due to Dean thinking he has no choice but to keep an eye on Sam - all the implications last night were that he isn't worried about Sam coming to harm; he thinks Sam will harm others when he flips out...the conversation he had with Amy at the end suggests he thinks the time will come when he has to kill Sam.
Sam and Dean's discussion was quite telling, too - there was no pity in Dean when he told Sam he trusted him - he wasn't lying to save Sam's feelings; he was doing it to stop Sam guessing what he was about to do.
My guess is that we're going to have at least half the season like this, and I just feel like it's been done to death.
Why do the writers think it's a good thing to destroy the chemistry between the brothers so often?
And why do they insist on making them so unlikeable at times?

To make up for my Dean bashing, I will say that Jensen did a great job directing!

One more thing - I thought at first that Jared was underplaying it a bit at times last night, but I'm now wondering if Sam is going to turn out to be struggling with depression as well as hallucinations? I definitely think he's going to be self harming a bit :-(
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Re: Season 7 Discussion - Episode 3 - The Girl Next Door

Postby Bec666 on Sat Oct 08, 2011 5:32 pm

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I can see your worries Ruth but I'm not quite as concerned. I think the next show when Dean is on trial might be pivotal. I think he might come to realize that all the guilt he carries around is killing him. Sam defends him (as a lawyer) and I think that might bring the trust back. I honestly don't think Dean doesn't care about Sam anymore. I just think he is feeling guilty because in a way he did this to Sam.


I'm also hopeful that Sam's hallucinations will begin to take a back seat in the show. He might 'zone' from time to time but that will be it. As they said about the upcoming episode with the trial, Sam doesn't feel guilty because even though he's made a LOT of bad choices he's done good too and he's at peace. So I'm not too worried about depression and self harm.

I'm an eternal optimist and every time I think they have ruined the show and the brothers they turn it around and it works out. :)
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Re: Season 7 Discussion - Episode 3 - The Girl Next Door

Postby CLDeangrl on Sat Oct 08, 2011 9:30 pm

Nice comments, guys. I agree with bec...as much as I love Dean, the way they've been having him bogged down by guilt and refusing to trust Sam is driving me nuts. It is SO not him...not the brash yet caring big brother we were introduced to in Seasons 1 and 2. Not surprisingly, he hasn't been the same since coming back from Hell in Season 4, which was to be expected - you can't go through something like that and not have it change you at least a little - but it seems like he's never been able to deal with it. Sam went through far worse and has been able to be make peace with it (as bec said, I'm not worried depression or self harm, I really think Sam is ok with things...his biggest problem at the moment is fear because what he's going through is scary), yet Dean still can't.

I understod the angst and "finding himself" type stuff for a while but it's been going on for WAY too long. I found it striking that even Bobby, who Sam tried to kill, is able to acknowledge that Sam is ok and be supportive and yet Dean can't. Like bec, I'm hoping the next episode focusing on guilt will help bring that to a head and maybe, FINALLY, allow Dean to at least start snapping out of it. Because I honestly don't know how much more if his current character arc I can take. It's been overdone...WAY overdone.

Yes, Dean has a lot of guilt he's carrying around, it's a family trait, but he needs to let go of it, to forgive himself, and to start focusing on what really counts. And he REALLY needs to get back to trusting Sam again and being a big brother. Sam is going through something scary, something Dean is directly responsible for having gotten him his soul back, and he NEEDS support, dammit! Now is not the time for Dean to be falling apart.

I'm just tired of him wallowing in alcohol and porn and acting like he doesn't give a crap. If he really didn't give a crap he wouldn't be having all that guilt because none of the stuff he feels guilty about would actually matter to him so obviously he cares...so accept it, forgive, and move the crap on already!

And by the same token, I'm also sick of Sam's whole "I'm a freak" attitude. No, you're not, Sam...you're a human being, who has had a crapload of bad stuff done to him...that doesn't make you bad. I'm tired of Sam beating himself up and Dean wallowing in self pity...enough!

I loved last season and I'm loving this season so far but we've been promised that the brothers would be coming back together and I'm still waiting for that...if they don't give us some resolution on this aspect soon I'm going to go nuts!

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I'm now getting the feeling that the boys sticking together will be due to Dean thinking he has no choice but to keep an eye on Sam - all the implications last night were that he isn't worried about Sam coming to harm; he thinks Sam will harm others when he flips out...the conversation he had with Amy at the end suggests he thinks the time will come when he has to kill Sam.


Oh and Ruth...definitely don't agree there. I think Dean is still genuinely concerned about Sam but he also just can't get past his guilt over it.

I definitely do not think he would ever considered having to kill Sam...no way. That was pretty much proved all through Season 2 when he was dealing with Dad's last words about possibly having to kill Sam. They came at him with that one from just about every direction and he proved time and again that he wouldn't do it. No way would he do it now, no matter how screwed up he might be at the moment.

Again, as I said in my previous post, the reason he has all that guilt is BECAUSE he still cares...that's the only good thing about it. He just needs to process it and get his head on straight again...the sooner the better!
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Re: Season 7 Discussion - Episode 3 - The Girl Next Door

Postby Ruth78 on Sun Oct 09, 2011 2:12 pm

I really hope you're both right in your optimism :-)

I'd love everything to be resolved next episode, so we can have a warmer bond between the brothers, but I do feel that the writers can't help themselves when it comes to creating trouble between them.
Also, I can't imagine Sam won't find out what Dean did, and that's not gonna go well:-(

I know we've been promised they'll be together more, but as far as I know, no assurances have been given about them actually being closer.

Sam's attitude when he was talking to Dean actually seemed a bit more mature, and that, for me, was a good thing, but I think they showed all the parts of Dean that I don't like this week, and I'd love to see him get rid of some of those flaws (plus, am I the only one who cringes every time he punches Sam? I really hate that!:-()

it's crazy to get so down on a TV show, but it actually left me feeling depressed!

I think I'm gonna have to rewatch some of season one to cheer myself up :blush:
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Re: Season 7 Discussion - Episode 3 - The Girl Next Door

Postby katave on Sun Oct 09, 2011 2:38 pm

Ruth78 wrote:
it's crazy to get so down on a TV show, but it actually left me feeling depressed!

I think I'm gonna have to rewatch some of season one to cheer myself up :blush:


Glad I'm not the only one who is depressed and feeling lost by a tv show :) Putting a lot of hope into next episode - I just don't have the energy for another season of lack of trust, brother vs. brother stuff. Especially since we were promised different.
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Re: Season 7 Discussion - Episode 3 - The Girl Next Door

Postby Bec666 on Sun Oct 09, 2011 3:06 pm

Neither do I believe me! I am so tired of the fighting between them. I just go back to what Bob Singer and Sera said when interviewed earlier, all the brothers have to rely on is each other...
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Re: Season 7 Discussion - Episode 3 - The Girl Next Door

Postby CLDeangrl on Sun Oct 09, 2011 3:09 pm

Believe me, I'm not loving it either but I refuse to let it get me down. My boys are still my boys...we all go through our crappy phases and I have faith they'll come out ok on the other end. Heck, their brotherly bond was strong enough to stop Lucifer, it can't be shattered by something like this. I'm holding out hope things will get better...may not all happen in one episode but hopefully over time.
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Re: Season 7 Discussion - Episode 3 - The Girl Next Door

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Re: Season 7 Discussion - Episode 3 - The Girl Next Door

Postby trackerem on Tue Oct 18, 2011 5:41 am

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