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Re: What did you think of 5.13 - Stairway to Heaven

Postby sdcsi on Sat Jan 24, 2009 2:26 am

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hbshopgirl wrote:I have a question, what did Meredith say to Christina in the car?? I think Christina said "it's okay" or something?

Hbshopgirl, that had to be the worst piece of editing in a prime time show I have ever seen. To put the music and the voiceover over that essential piece of dialogue was criminal. :cursing: We must have some lip-reading experts amongst us who can give us a guess at least. :)
You know the more I write and think about this episode the more I find it lacking. I think immediately after seeing it you are so emotional you cannot see the many flaws.
I'll be back later to pick up the points that I feel need discussing and think about which thread we should discuss it in - here is probably the most appropriate.



I honestly thought it was pretty awful immediately after, though they almost saved it with Meredith at the execution and Derek hugging her and taking her to Cristina.

I forgot to mention earlier that I thought the Mark injury was ridiculous, too. Would they be having the kind of crazy sex necessary to cause such an injury in the on-call room? I mean, not only could doctors hear, but it looked like it was in a hallway where patients might be walking, too. They jumped the shark a couple of times in this ep, imo.

Oh, I did like ES as the sk. Saying he played Meredith and asking her come to the execution. He was very good.
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Re: What did you think of 5.13 - Stairway to Heaven

Postby Taylijane on Sat Jan 24, 2009 2:54 am

sdcsi wrote:
Taylijane wrote:
hbshopgirl wrote:I have a question, what did Meredith say to Christina in the car?? I think Christina said "it's okay" or something?

Hbshopgirl, that had to be the worst piece of editing in a prime time show I have ever seen. To put the music and the voiceover over that essential piece of dialogue was criminal. :cursing: We must have some lip-reading experts amongst us who can give us a guess at least. :)
You know the more I write and think about this episode the more I find it lacking. I think immediately after seeing it you are so emotional you cannot see the many flaws.
I'll be back later to pick up the points that I feel need discussing and think about which thread we should discuss it in - here is probably the most appropriate.



I honestly thought it was pretty awful immediately after, though they almost saved it with Meredith at the execution and Derek hugging her and taking her to Cristina.

I forgot to mention earlier that I thought the Mark injury was ridiculous, too. Would they be having the kind of crazy sex necessary to cause such an injury in the on-call room? I mean, not only could doctors hear, but it looked like it was in a hallway where patients might be walking, too. They jumped the shark a couple of times in this ep, imo.

Oh, I did like ES as the sk. Saying he played Meredith and asking her come to the execution. He was very good.

Yes, sdcsi, he did play Meredith but I think she knew she was being "played" and even if she didn't, he did not best her. He wanted her lose her job and lose Derek - he liked to see people suffer even if they were kind to him - I suppose that is what a sociopath does - they have no feelings of empathy or compassion - and when they see it they have to use it. But at the end he was frightened of dying - he faltered as they brought him to the table to strap him down. I don't know much about sociopaths but I do know that they are cowards and they do pick on the weak but, I think he learned in the end that Meredith was not weak. She was stronger than he was and stronger than Derek. In the end she still had compassion because he was another human being and the barbarity of what she saw in the execution. It would not have been pleasant.
EP did very well in her portrayal of Meredith as she always does with out proper recognition.

ETA - And ITA, sdcsi - the storyline of Mark breaking a bone in his penis (there are no bones in the penis) was stupid. They could have brought some humour and some comeuppance to Mark in a different manner - Lexie still could have been there for him that same way she was in the end of this episode. We did not need such nonsense.
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Re: What did you think of 5.13 - Stairway to Heaven

Postby MLFAN on Sat Jan 24, 2009 4:02 am

I loved Mark and Lexie this episode. Lexie was so worried about him and I loved her telling the interns to shut up. I don't think she liked them making fun of Mark and his situation. Personally I like that Mark injured big sloan. It will be interesting to see if its all better the next episode or not. If he isnt allowed to have sex yet it will be fun to see how Mark handles a relationship with a woman when he cant sleep with her. Taking the sex out of the equation for our loveable manwhore will be good for him. He will have to bond and get closer to her emotionally. Then hopefully we get some more sweet and loving scenes. Loved them this episode. :D
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Re: What did you think of 5.13 - Stairway to Heaven

Postby McSunny on Sat Jan 24, 2009 6:29 am

hbshopgirl wrote:I have a question, what did Meredith say to Christina in the car?? I think Christina said "it's okay" or something?


Someone who is a lip reader said that Mer said "I didn't ask him to" and Christina said "I know".

Now, personally I find it hard to believe that Christina would have much sympathy for Mer in those circumstances but that's just my opinion.

I did not like the scene when Bailey went into Der's OR either. It just wasn't Bailey. I thought CW did a great job with it but it just made me uncomfortable. I did, however, lose it when Bailey fell apart in Jackson's room.

I think the reason they took the easy way out and found the last minute organ donor was probably because they thought it would not go down well if they let the boy die.

Regarding the Breaking of the Penis. No, there is no bone in the penis but an injury can occur that they sometimes call "breaking the penis". I just happened to hear this the other day when Dennis Leary was on Oprah. He searched penis and got the show where Dr. Oz talked about this and then he researched further and found out it really does happen. Here's the Oprah link: http://www.oprah.com/slideshow/oprahsho ... 1001_350/2

Now I realize this is not a true break and Grey's should have explained it better but they do call it breaking the penis. I think this story would have gone over better in a different episode. I know last nights' epi was heavy and needed some lightness but that just didn't really fit in well.

As for William playing Mer, I'm 50/50 in my thoughts on that one. Part of me thought exactly what you said Tayli, that he was playing her but Mer knew it. The other part of me thinks he was not playing Mer and he really wanted to die in the hospital (partially to spite Der and others) but then when he got so bad he got scared and told Christina he didn't want to die. So, maybe he wasn't playing her but just told her that at the end. Of course, maybe it was a little of both. I think he did want to die in the hospital but got scared but he was still playing Mer (which she knew) because he wanted to cause her problems with Der. Did that make sense? :lol:
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Re: What did you think of 5.13 - Stairway to Heaven

Postby Grey'sAddict on Sat Jan 24, 2009 7:06 am

All in all, I really liked this episode.

First: Izzie and Denny. I have not been a fan of this storyline at all. But I actually loved them this week. Granted, it was mainly because the insanity has (hopefully) ended. But I swear to god, when Izzie FINALLY realized something was wrong with her, I almost yelled with joy. Seriously though, KH was amazing in that last scene.

Second: The SK and Meredith. Poor Mer! The jerk was screwing with her all along, and she still goes to his execution in the end. The scene outside the prison was really just beautiful.

Third: Cristina and Owen. I've gotta say, even with the miniscule screen time they get, these two actors really make the most of it. All their scenes are memorable. I loved their last scene. Cristina looked like she was about to blow him off, but ends up giving him a second chance. I liked that they addressed the fact that he's got problems, but she she was still willing to out with him.

The only thing I had a problem with was, once again, was the timeline. William's execution date was in five days, does that mean that between Izzie's revelation and the end of the episode, five whole days passed? Seriously!?
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Re: What did you think of 5.13 - Stairway to Heaven

Postby msbonnier on Sat Jan 24, 2009 7:35 am

Just a little note about the ending where Christina and Mer are talking the car - i too, was frustrated that I could not hear what they were saying. But I think that was done on purpose. Right after the Mer and Christina "mouth" something, you hear Denny say "Maybe for now, thats all we need to know". Hearing that made me think, we didn't need to know exactly what was being said. Point is - something was said.

Looking at the overall episode, I thought it was great, aside from some serious emotional overacting (mostly by Bailey, which as many have said was very OOC). I did like the serial killer arch and i though the Mer storyline with it was really well done.
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Re: What did you think of 5.13 - Stairway to Heaven

Postby McSunny on Sat Jan 24, 2009 7:58 am

From Wikipedia on Penile Fracture:

A penile fracture is an extremely rare injury caused by the rupture of the tunica albuginea, which envelops the corpus cavernosum penis. It is an uncommon injury, most often caused by a blunt trauma to an erect penis.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Penile_fracture

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More Goodies:

Denny's voice over:

Beginning Voice Over: I believe in heaven. I also believe in hell. I've never seen either but I believe they exist. They have to exist. Because without a heaven, without a hell, we're all just headed for limbo.

End Voice Over: Heaven. Hell. Limbo. No one really knows where we are going. But the one thing we can say for sure, with absolute certainty, is that there are moments that take us to another place. Moments of heaven on earth. And maybe for now that's all we need to know.

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Eric Dane Breaks His Penis, Inspires Nationwide Rush to Google - Jan 23, 2009
http://www.towleroad.com/2009/01/post-2.html

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'Grey's Anatomy' Aftergasm: If a Tree Falls in the Forest... - January 23, 2009

If a tree falls in the forest, and Izzie isn't there to see it, does Denny really exist?
The mystery of Denny Duquette's (Jeffrey Dean Morgan) continued appearance on Grey's Anatomy, long after his LVAD incident and subsequent death, appears to be over.

Well, not exactly. He did tell Izzie (Katherine Heigl) at the end of last night's Grey's Anatomy that now that she knows she's seriously ill, he can finally go gentle into that good night, but if we are to take EW's Michael Ausiello's word on the matter, and we always should, he won't be heading toward the light anytime soon.

“[Denny] will be around at least through March, since that's when Izzie's aneurysm-esque medical condition finally gets diagnosed,” Ausiello says.

March??? Seriously? Seriously! Look, I love Jeffrey Dean Morgan as much as the next girl, and I love that Katherine Heigl is getting some good emotional scenes in which to exercise her acting chops, but enough is enough. We've had months of this Dead!Denny! business with zero movement in the storyline. When he appeared to her in the flesh at the end of episode 5.7 “Rise Up,” we figured that since this is not a paranormal type of show, the most logical explanation of Dead!Denny!'s reappearance was either that Izzie is going crazy, or she has some kind of brain malady. Which is….exactly the same conclusion we came to after last night's “Stairway to Heaven.”

If there is an afterlife, then a well-paced story arc that doesn't drag on to eternity would be my heaven.

Best In Show:

Best Quote: “Yes, no, yes. He's badly injured, in fa bad way that is bad for anyone…who's a man, but for Dr. Sloan, in particular. He may have broken a bone. He broke a bone. I-I-I I broke his bone,” Lexie, describing to Callie the bodily harm she inflicted upon Mark's person.

Best Scene: For me, the best scene was the most difficult one to watch: PDR's execution. Meredith is not always a likeable sympathetic character, but she showed here how much compassion she is capable of and why she is the central figure in Grey's Anatomy. She knew that watching PDR die would be extremely difficult, but she went anyway. The experience turned out to be something she couldn't handle alone – even Derek couldn't help her – and it ultimately brought Meredith and Cristina back to each other.

Best User Comment: “I disagree w/ the note that PDR was actually playing Meredith- I think he genuinely wanted to help, but when he realized that he was really going to die, that scared him and he decided he wasn't ready. This is based on what Meredith says right afterwards about death/dying being frightening. If she believed that he was truly trying to ruin her career, she would have left the room right then and wouldn't have come to the execution.” --ibeforej
http://www.buddytv.com/articles/greys-a ... 25879.aspx

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Grey's Anatomy: Stairway to Heaven - Posted Jan 23rd 2009

(S05E13) "We're doctors, Grey. We're not executioners." - Bailey
Life wasn't easy for some of the Seattle Grace staff this week on Grey's Anatomy as they had to decide if they were doctors or executioners. For some, the choice was clear (Shepard is a doctor) while for others (Meredith and Bailey) they wondered if they should be executioners at least this one time. No matter what side they were on, one thing is sure: the Seattle Grace doctors offered us one hell (or heaven?) of an episode this week!
Can Eric Stoltz get an award for his incredible work as serial killer William Dunn? Not only was he totally believable in every scene but he was able to make me pity and hate him all at the same time. The guy deserves an award. His storyline, along with Jackson's quest for organs, was so poignant and brought up so many ethical dilemmas that I'm surprised it wasn't kept for February Sweeps. ............ cont’d

http://www.tvsquad.com/2009/01/23/greys ... to-heaven/
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Re: What did you think of 5.13 - Stairway to Heaven

Postby McTragic on Sat Jan 24, 2009 1:53 pm

Oh man, I haven't cried so much watching a Grey's episode for a VERY long time (I'm thinking Mer drowning episodes)

So incredibly emotional... I really enjoyed watching it. But I completely agree with you Tay - once you get over the emotion of the episode, you start to see the flaws. That scene with Mer and Cris in the car, i was like WTF? I can't hear anything. I'm sure that was intentionally done - but it was BAD! Very bad. Didn't like it at all. It would have been better if neither of them had said anything at all.

And can they just get rid of DD already? I'm so sick of him!!!
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Re: What did you think of 5.13 - Stairway to Heaven

Postby md_em on Sat Jan 24, 2009 3:12 pm

McSunny wrote:
hbshopgirl wrote:I have a question, what did Meredith say to Christina in the car?? I think Christina said "it's okay" or something?


Someone who is a lip reader said that Mer said "I didn't ask him to" and Christina said "I know".

As for William playing Mer, I'm 50/50 in my thoughts on that one. Part of me thought exactly what you said Tayli, that he was playing her but Mer knew it. The other part of me thinks he was not playing Mer and he really wanted to die in the hospital (partially to spite Der and others) but then when he got so bad he got scared and told Christina he didn't want to die. So, maybe he wasn't playing her but just told her that at the end. Of course, maybe it was a little of both. I think he did want to die in the hospital but got scared but he was still playing Mer (which she knew) because he wanted to cause her problems with Der. Did that make sense? :lol:


Sunny, I share the same opinion as you with regard to the SK's behavior. And Mer was really aware of it.

Concerning the car, it could make sense ... but I think as well that it has been done on purpose that we could not hear.
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Did you say it? 'I love you. I don't ever want to live without you. You changed my life.' Did you say it? Make a plan. Set a goal. Work toward it, but every now and then, look around; Drink it in 'cause this is it. It might all be gone tomorrow. Mer voice over Season 5.
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Re: What did you think of 5.13 - Stairway to Heaven

Postby Mecomelately on Sat Jan 24, 2009 3:52 pm

Hi Everyone!

I have to confess I stopped watching Grey's since last month, but do watch the Mer and Der clips on YouTube. I loved the shot of him when he comes into the room (in this past episode) and swoops in for a hot and heavy kiss on Mer's lips! Yum! :)

Greymaters thanks for this link. I still want to read everyone's thoughts, even though I'm not watching the other stuff on the show.
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Re: What did you think of 5.13 - Stairway to Heaven

Postby Taylijane on Sat Jan 24, 2009 11:14 pm

Mecomelately wrote:Hi Everyone!

I have to confess I stopped watching Grey's since last month, but do watch the Mer and Der clips on YouTube. I loved the shot of him when he comes into the room (in this past episode) and swoops in for a hot and heavy kiss on Mer's lips! Yum! :)

Greymaters thanks for this link. I still want to read everyone's thoughts, even though I'm not watching the other stuff on the show.


Mecomelately, G'day! :cool: It is so great to see you here. :D Yes, I loved that scene as well. If only there had not been the SK on their minds - particularly Meredith's - they could have really enjoyed it and we could have had some old porny Mere/Derek. I loved the brief, little smirk on Mere's face as D was kissing her neck/ear. :wub:
"Did you say it? 'I love you. I don't ever want to live without you. You changed my life.' Did you say it? Make a plan. Set a goal. Work toward it, but every now and then, look around; Drink it in 'cause this is it. It might all be gone tomorrow."

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Re: What did you think of 5.13 - Stairway to Heaven

Postby McSunny on Sun Jan 25, 2009 5:46 am

Mecomelately wrote:Hi Everyone!

I have to confess I stopped watching Grey's since last month, but do watch the Mer and Der clips on YouTube. I loved the shot of him when he comes into the room (in this past episode) and swoops in for a hot and heavy kiss on Mer's lips! Yum! :)

Greymaters thanks for this link. I still want to read everyone's thoughts, even though I'm not watching the other stuff on the show.


Mecomelately, hey! Glad you made it over here to the new place. Did you stop watching because of Dead Denny? I have to say that this last 3 episode arc with the SK was really the best Grey's we've had in a long time, if you disregard certain scenes. Even though D. Denny is still in it there at least seemed to be a point this week. They just could have gotten to it WAY earlier in this storyline if sr could just get over her obsession with JDM. You just know she wrote that sex scene so she could oogle(sp?) him. :PP

Good to see you here! I'm posting all the MerDer clips from this epi if you haven't seen them all. Esp the last one! :cry:

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Re: What did you think of 5.13 - Stairway to Heaven

Postby sdcsi on Sun Jan 25, 2009 7:32 am

My two cents on the sk "playing" Meredith. I think he just said that. I think he thought he really did want to die in the hospital, but when faced with it happening, couldn't go through with it. The will to live is very, very strong. So, while he might have been manipulating Meredith to some extent, I don't think that was his primary motivation. I think the only truly honest things he said were "I don't want to die" and when he asked Meredith to come to his execution.
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Re: What did you think of 5.13 - Stairway to Heaven

Postby Taylijane on Sun Jan 25, 2009 12:46 pm

sdcsi wrote:My two cents on the sk "playing" Meredith. I think he just said that. I think he thought he really did want to die in the hospital, but when faced with it happening, couldn't go through with it. The will to live is very, very strong. So, while he might have been manipulating Meredith to some extent, I don't think that was his primary motivation. I think the only truly honest things he said were "I don't want to die" and when he asked Meredith to come to his execution.

sdcsi, I agree. Sociopaths are extremely intelligent and cunning and they have no remorse or empathy so I think he would have been trying to manipulate Meredith and anyone else - we saw him playing with Derek, sensing Derek's weakness through seeing Derek's hostility even though he did not know the cause. He probably played off others too that we did not see. Sociopaths are also cowards and while they enjoy inflicting pain they do not like it themselves and I agree, he did not want to die - either at the hospital (his own preference) where when faced with it he could not do it and then at his own execution. I think he was wanting to see Meredith break and that is why he invited her to his execution. I am sure there was an element of it for his own "comfort" to have someone who felt some compassion for him there when everyone else would have hated him so much. But as I said earlier he did not "best" her, could not "best" her - she is not a sociopath but she has seen the dark and twisty-ness that lurks beneath us all.

So...
Now I have had a chance to think about the episode and here is my good, bad and ugly of the Stairway to Heaven (ther is probably more that I will think of later :roll: - it comes with the ageing process ;) ):
The Good
1. Excellent acting from EP, JDM (even though I am hating the storyline - he did well in this episode with the pathetic nonsense he had to sprout), ES (great sociopath) and CW (except for her OOC OR scene).
2. PDR storyline as a medical case and the ethical dilemmas it raised EXCEPT for the contrived convenient ending which I will discuss later.
3. Derek and Meredith. Derek finally being there for Mere and accepting her with all her faults and loving her in spite of these faults - unconditional love. Plus, Derek unselfishly taking the opportunity that was offered to get Meredith and Cristina back together (I think he did it intentionally when he realised he could use this opportunity to get them talking). Someone mentioned earlier about Derek growing and changing and this demonstrated this so well. And Meredith breaking down in front of Derek and not running away but letting him comfort her. She is growing and changing too. They are growing together - I just wish we could see it happening instead of getting these tiny snippets and we have at assume that they are talking to each other.
4. Bailey's scene in Jackson's room in relief and also recognising she had stepped over the line of professionalism by become too attached to a patient and her desire to have him survive at almost any cost.
The Bad
1. Dennygate - I don't care what the excuse is - it is a disaster and so completely unbelievable it is laughable. (I almost put this in the Ugly section but I think that may be to come in future episodes because he is not gone :cursing: .)
2. Bailey's OOC OR scene - I felt uncomfortable and it was not with what was said - it was that it was not Bailey. I could see Izzie or George delivering those lines but not Miranda Bailey. Are we going to see a crisis of faith for Bailey after this and the OOC scene is the start of this? Is this why in future episode she talks to Dr Dixon about a change of direction? Does she go west and Richard goes to bring her home? These questions are why this has not gone in the Ugly section, too.
The Ugly
1. The voice over Cristina and Meredith's opening words in the car - I did not need to hear the entire conversation but I think their opening words were essential for us to know. Was it poor editing, poor direction or poor writing?
2. The easy out, contrived, cop out ending of the conveniently found donor. Pathetic - after raising all the ethical questions - it did a cop out! Yes, it would have been heart breaking to see the little boy die but it is reality - it happens every day - people die waiting for transplants because people have not discussed organ donation with their families before their catastrophes happen and talking about the issues and the fears that stop Joe Public from being an organ donor - this did not help the cause at all. And, Yes, it would have been controversial to raise the issue of capital punishment and the use of their healthy organs for transplantation instead of "burying them in the ground". Could not they have raised the point of seeking judicial/legal advice somewhere in the storyline in ordering the PDR to be executed by hanging (where his organs could have been harvested immediately after death) instead of by lethal injection (which would have rendered the organs useless)? Just raise the issue not solve the situation but get people to start to talk about organ donation and show little boys (and girls and mums and dads and friends, etc) really do die because people are not willing to donate their organs or their families do not know relatives wishes with regard to organ donation. Steps off soap box now. Sorry. :blush:
3. TRK's 15 seconds of screentime and 5 words of dialogue because he is on sr's punishment plan.
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Re: What did you think of 5.13 - Stairway to Heaven

Postby Leliforever on Sun Jan 25, 2009 8:15 pm

Taylijane wrote:
sdcsi wrote:My two cents on the sk "playing" Meredith. I think he just said that. I think he thought he really did want to die in the hospital, but when faced with it happening, couldn't go through with it. The will to live is very, very strong. So, while he might have been manipulating Meredith to some extent, I don't think that was his primary motivation. I think the only truly honest things he said were "I don't want to die" and when he asked Meredith to come to his execution.

sdcsi, I agree. Sociopaths are extremely intelligent and cunning and they have no remorse or empathy so I think he would have been trying to manipulate Meredith and anyone else - we saw him playing with Derek, sensing Derek's weakness through seeing Derek's hostility even though he did not know the cause. He probably played off others too that we did not see. Sociopaths are also cowards and while they enjoy inflicting pain they do not like it themselves and I agree, he did not want to die - either at the hospital (his own preference) where when faced with it he could not do it and then at his own execution. I think he was wanting to see Meredith break and that is why he invited her to his execution. I am sure there was an element of it for his own "comfort" to have someone who felt some compassion for him there when everyone else would have hated him so much. But as I said earlier he did not "best" her, could not "best" her - she is not a sociopath but she has seen the dark and twisty-ness that lurks beneath us all.

So...
Now I have had a chance to think about the episode and here is my good, bad and ugly of the Stairway to Heaven (ther is probably more that I will think of later :roll: - it comes with the ageing process ;) ):
The Good
1. Excellent acting from EP, JDM (even though I am hating the storyline - he did well in this episode with the pathetic nonsense he had to sprout), ES (great sociopath) and CW (except for her OOC OR scene).
2. PDR storyline as a medical case and the ethical dilemmas it raised EXCEPT for the contrived convenient ending which I will discuss later.
3. Derek and Meredith. Derek finally being there for Mere and accepting her with all her faults and loving her in spite of these faults - unconditional love. Plus, Derek unselfishly taking the opportunity that was offered to get Meredith and Cristina back together (I think he did it intentionally when he realised he could use this opportunity to get them talking). Someone mentioned earlier about Derek growing and changing and this demonstrated this so well. And Meredith breaking down in front of Derek and not running away but letting him comfort her. She is growing and changing too. They are growing together - I just wish we could see it happening instead of getting these tiny snippets and we have at assume that they are talking to each other.
4. Bailey's scene in Jackson's room in relief and also recognising she had stepped over the line of professionalism by become too attached to a patient and her desire to have him survive at almost any cost.
The Bad
1. Dennygate - I don't care what the excuse is - it is a disaster and so completely unbelievable it is laughable. (I almost put this in the Ugly section but I think that may be to come in future episodes because he is not gone :cursing: .)
2. Bailey's OOC OR scene - I felt uncomfortable and it was not with what was said - it was that it was not Bailey. I could see Izzie or George delivering those lines but not Miranda Bailey. Are we going to see a crisis of faith for Bailey after this and the OOC scene is the start of this? Is this why in future episode she talks to Dr Dixon about a change of direction? Does she go west and Richard goes to bring her home? These questions are why this has not gone in the Ugly section, too.
The Ugly
1. The voice over Cristina and Meredith's opening words in the car - I did not need to hear the entire conversation but I think their opening words were essential for us to know. Was it poor editing, poor direction or poor writing?
2. The easy out, contrived, cop out ending of the conveniently found donor. Pathetic - after raising all the ethical questions - it did a cop out! Yes, it would have been heart breaking to see the little boy die but it is reality - it happens every day - people die waiting for transplants because people have not discussed organ donation with their families before their catastrophes happen and talking about the issues and the fears that stop Joe Public from being an organ donor - this did not help the cause at all. And, Yes, it would have been controversial to raise the issue of capital punishment and the use of their healthy organs for transplantation instead of "burying them in the ground". Could not they have raised the point of seeking judicial/legal advice somewhere in the storyline in ordering the PDR to be executed by hanging (where his organs could have been harvested immediately after death) instead of by lethal injection (which would have rendered the organs useless)? Just raise the issue not solve the situation but get people to start to talk about organ donation and show little boys (and girls and mums and dads and friends, etc) really do die because people are not willing to donate their organs or their families do not know relatives wishes with regard to organ donation. Steps off soap box now. Sorry. :blush:
3. TRK's 15 seconds of screentime and 5 words of dialogue because he is on sr's punishment plan.


Hello,spoiler girls! :D
back from my mini-weekend-excursion (I had a really nice time at my cousin's wedding btw! :roll: )

As I'm so tired to write down my own review,Taili,honey,you said it all!!! :thumbsup: Totally agree!
Just wanting to add sth on the "good ones"...
Although I hate the deadgate thing,I didn't only love his perfomance,but I also liked KH at some moments... (again at some moments because when they kiss...I really hate it-it doen't look real :sleep: (especially at the scene outside the hospital! :thumbsdown: )

No proposal however... :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry:
Who knows how many weeks we're going to wait to watch it! :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry:

I'm just going to get some sleep because I didn't sleep much last night!(thank God I 'm not going to school tomorrow! :whistle: )
When something begins,you generally have no idea how it's going to end...
The house you were going to sell becomes your home,the roomates you were forced to take in become your family...
And the one night stand you were determined to forget becomes the love of your life...
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